Host: PleaseWakeMeUp Idler
January 21, 2008
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Ok folks, it is time. Welcome to Art Talk!
Scarp Godenot: Please, you look like Dancoyote Antonelli except no wand!
quadrapop Lane: hehe
Filthy Fluno: ;p;
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: for the new peope here, we meet once a week at this time to talk about, well art
Filthy Fluno: lol
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: (hmm, have to get a wand....)
Filthy Fluno: yea
Filthy Fluno: lol
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Sometimes we have a topic, sometimes we don't.
Filthy Fluno: GRACIE! GRACIE! CHEERS!
Scarp Godenot: And a mohawk!
Esch Snoats: Yo Sky
Gracie Kendal: hehehe
quadrapop Lane: hi Sky
Sky Hye: Hey
Gracie Kendal: Hiya Sky
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Tonight's victim is Gracie who will tell us all about her Master Thesis and we'll comment gently on it
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Or not so gently....
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Gracie, you have the floor!
Esch Snoats: /clap
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: hi Sky!
Sky Hye: Hi!
Gracie Kendal: LOL yea, I am juust starting out...sooooo
Gracie Kendal: Thank you thank you :))
Gracie Kendal: Well...This is a very recent thesis topic....I actually changed my topic after 2 years of working on my previous topic
quadrapop Lane: ouch
Gracie Kendal: But, I just wasnt passionate about my last one....
Gracie Kendal: and I am very VERY passionate about SL
Gracie Kendal: soooo....I decided to chance and write it on SL
Anton Braendle: Is this an Art History thesis or a studio-based one?
Gracie Kendal: Yes, Art History
Anton Braendle: Ah ...okay ...
Gracie Kendal: Although I am an artist...I am workign on my masters in Art Histsory
Anton Braendle: And your backgroyund in art history?
Gracie Kendal: sooo...I decided I wanted to talk about the Art in Sl...
Anton Braendle: Specialized or general?
Gracie Kendal: my focus is Modern and Contemporary
Gracie Kendal: Hi Cole, Sparkling :))
Sparkling Saintlouis: Hi Gracie!
Anton Braendle: M'kay
Gracie Kendal: my original thesis was on representations of women artists in film...
Muzicole Undertone: Hello
Anton Braendle: Aiiiieeeee!
Filthy Fluno: great turnout
Gracie Kendal: I am a true postmodernist...
Esch Snoats: ssssh
Todd Action: hey cole
Muzicole Undertone: Hi Todd
Gracie Kendal: even tho my art is mostly modern..anyway....
Sky Hye: Please define post modernist, then. :)
Gracie Kendal: so....I have been looking for different angles...
Gracie Kendal: LLOL...well.. the idea that everythign is recycled...appropriated...nothing is original
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Welcome to Art Talk Abbott
Gracie Kendal: challenging convention...
Gracie Kendal: ummm
Abbott Ewing: thanks
Gracie Kendal: thats a simplistic definition
Gracie Kendal: Abbott!!!
quadrapop Lane: rather
Anton Braendle: Challenging convention? How so>
Gracie Kendal: LOL
Sky Hye: Okay. Sounds like what I normally hear.
Gracie Kendal: well...
Gracie Kendal: as far as my thesis is concerned... a lot of people don't see gamesas art...
Gracie Kendal: I mean there is sooo much to it...
Gracie Kendal: so it is the blurring of high and low art...
Anton Braendle: Hmm ...are you saying SL is a game, then?
Gracie Kendal: and ugh..chat lat niw
Gracie Kendal: nooo, not at all...
Filthy Fluno: SL can certainly be considered a game
Gracie Kendal: trust me...NOO
Scarp Godenot: Dis aint no stinkin game!
Gracie Kendal: but...
Gracie Kendal: A lot pf people...
Gracie Kendal: exactly
Gracie Kendal: Filthy
quadrapop Lane: no game here
Filthy Fluno: some people game in here
Anton Braendle: 'kay
Gracie Kendal: ok...
Sparkling Saintlouis: The incredible complexity of SL is certainly consistent with postmodernism
Gracie Kendal: soo...
Gracie Kendal: my idea...
Anton Braendle: Some people game in RL, too, though
Filthy Fluno: yes
quadrapop Lane: yes but it is lieksaying all computers are game machines... just because some people use them for games
Gracie Kendal: yes, Sparkling...
Esch Snoats: I think the "Is SL a game?" should be a topic for another time everyone :D
Filthy Fluno: yes
Gracie Kendal: LOL yea
quadrapop Lane: SL is a tool, just as a computer is a tool
Gracie Kendal: sooo
Filthy Fluno: go gracie go
quadrapop Lane: just SL is virtual tool
Filthy Fluno: let's let gracie move forward
Anton Braendle: Yes, Esch...absolutley. THough it has a bearing on where this could go
quadrapop Lane: sry gracie
Muzicole Undertone: I prefer the word 'platform' to describe SL
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: /wake writes that down...
Filthy Fluno: i prefer the word.. lagalicous time consuming platform
Gracie Kendal: I love the idea of comparing the SL art community here to that of the international bohemian Paris of the 1920's
Filthy Fluno: Hi Strawberry
quadrapop Lane: lol
Todd Action: there you go gracie
Todd Action: build on that
Anton Braendle: Amen, Filthy!
Gracie Kendal: I liked the idea..of collaboration...education..dialogues, debates between artists...
Gracie Kendal: how artists work together...or not...
Gracie Kendal: and form a culture, a community here
Muzicole Undertone: Does collaboration actually happen in SL on a large scale?
Anton Braendle: But didnt the "international bohemian Paris of the 1920's" have a definite critical apparatus for what they were doing?
Scarp Godenot: Bitter disputes, jealousy and accusations!
Gracie Kendal: Not necessarily..but..it didnt in Paris either
Todd Action: it does in the fact that we are building a community
Anton Braendle: Something that is lacking here?
Gracie Kendal: true Todd
Gracie Kendal: sure..I am very open
Gracie Kendal: Im just starting out here
quadrapop Lane: no critics? lol
Gracie Kendal: so any comments...suggestions...
Gracie Kendal: shoot
Anton Braendle: Ididn't say "critic" ...
Gracie Kendal: just dont kill...LOL
Todd Action: many of the 20's artists came to be in the place, not there for the theory per se
Scarp Godenot: All critics should be strangled!
Filthy Fluno: i vote that you get Anton to write it for you
Filthy Fluno: he's seems like really smart
Anton Braendle: I said "critical apparatus" ...
Todd Action: gracie's issue is she has no argument yet
Todd Action: nothing to defend as per a thesis
Filthy Fluno: anton
Scarp Godenot: This is paris in the 20's right?
Gracie Kendal: I need a theoretical backign too
Filthy Fluno: check out Slart Magazine
quadrapop Lane: ok Anton I see the s=distinction
Filthy Fluno: that's quite critical
Gracie Kendal: LOL yea Filthy
Anton Braendle: Ah, thanks TOdd ...good point
quadrapop Lane: true
quadrapop Lane: but who and how many read it?
Anton Braendle: SLART is and DC are about the two most "critical apparati" around here
Anton Braendle: *grin
Gracie Kendal: well...that doesnt matter to me....
Anton Braendle: Doesn't maatter...it's there and can be referenced ...
Gracie Kendal: I want to talk about SL
Gracie Kendal: not you Anton
Filthy Fluno: yea
Gracie Kendal: sorry
Filthy Fluno: ha
Gracie Kendal: Quad
Gracie Kendal: hehe
Shaky Fitzgerald: please let her speack
Anton Braendle: Adn you have to be able to talk about SL in terms of SL ...
Shaky Fitzgerald: I came to hear her thoughts
Anton Braendle: And that means you need a critical apparatus from whihc to do it ...
Emilie Cryotank: yes
Gracie Kendal: well..I want to go to conferences and Symposiums..and argue that SL is importnant to the Rl art community
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: a big w00t to that
Gracie Kendal: that we should be counted and acknowelded
Anton Braendle: How is important to the RL community?
Gracie Kendal: ugh
Todd Action: yes gracie but expand upon that defense somehow
Todd Action: how and why i agree
Scarp Godenot: It is the beginning of the Virtual World ubiquity of the future!
Filthy Fluno: let's go one by one here
Filthy Fluno: how aboutthis
Filthy Fluno: and say
Filthy Fluno: i have an idea
Gracie Kendal: Its just as important as char davies...and her new media
Filthy Fluno: why or why not its important
Filthy Fluno: no?
Emilie Cryotank: we need a flipping talking stick
quadrapop Lane: who?
Gracie Kendal: definitely scarp
quadrapop Lane: lol
Gracie Kendal: LOL
Gracie Kendal: hahaha
orb Thursday: hahha
Filthy Fluno: well.. i can mute like.. everyone?
Gracie Kendal: seriously...
Gracie Kendal: wait...
Filthy Fluno: k
Muzicole Undertone: Are you drawing a distinction between art that has been imported into SL and now exists effectively in a ew medium and art that was created IN SL using prims, textures etc... Where he two meet etc?
Gracie Kendal: I would really like to know...why everyone is here, as an artist...
Gracie Kendal: that doesnt matter Cole
Shaky Fitzgerald: leave rl out of this
Filthy Fluno: no
Filthy Fluno: leave RL in
quadrapop Lane: cant do that
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: SL freed me to be an artist
Filthy Fluno: its all good
Gracie Kendal: there are so many artists here who do rl things
quadrapop Lane: sl and Rl artists are collaborating
Gracie Kendal: you dont have to talk about Rl...but..as an artist..
Shaky Fitzgerald: right now it does not exiast for us
Gracie Kendal: exactly wake
quadrapop Lane: on virtual interaction pieces in RL
Shaky Fitzgerald: exsist
Gracie Kendal: why shaky?
Abbott Ewing: Im only an artist in SL
Todd Action: why arent you in rl abbott
Shaky Fitzgerald: because we are at this momment in sl
Scarp Godenot: An artist is an artist wherever they do their art...
Gracie Kendal: yes, scarp...
Filthy Fluno: amen scarp
Esch Snoats: Exactly Scarp
quadrapop Lane: sorry shaky I'm in both atm
Gracie Kendal: me too..
quadrapop Lane: and always are
Shaky Fitzgerald: true enough
Gracie Kendal: and I believe SL should be too...
Esch Snoats: This falls back on SL being a tool to use.
Anton Braendle: "Blended reality" thank you very much ...
quadrapop Lane: yep
Esch Snoats: Some artists use canvas and paints, others use SL
Gracie Kendal: true Esch...
quadrapop Lane: some use nboth
Shaky Fitzgerald: but we are bringing our rl life to sl
Emilie Cryotank: some use both though
Gracie Kendal: yes shaky
Todd Action: is sl a tool or an environment in which tools are used to create art
quadrapop Lane: gah BRB RL intrudes...
Scarp Godenot: I assert that there are new art forms being invented here.
Esch Snoats: And I think that's why Gracie thinks it's important that RL take notice of SL
Gracie Kendal: both
Xerxes Druart: Is Sl really anymore than using maya to make something?
Esch Snoats: as another way of showing tha tart
Gracie Kendal: Both todd
Muzicole Undertone: But some is created within SL
Xerxes Druart: its only a 3D engine after all
Filthy Fluno: i don't think we can really define SL so tightly yet
Anton Braendle: Heh ...wio uses Maya ...
Shaky Fitzgerald: let rl discover it all by itself
Emilie Cryotank: and the rub (to me) is peole who are not on sl can't experience the art....
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: SL is more than a 3D engine, it is an interaciton between people, not avatars
Gracie Kendal: true Emilie...but I'd like to change that...
orb Thursday: hallelujah wake
Xerxes Druart: is teh main difference not how we create but the viewing experience?"
Emilie Cryotank: ah, how? ;)
Gracie Kendal: I mean..why cant we get SL noticed...just as soho, or Venice...
Xerxes Druart: we are IN the program
Gracie Kendal: write about it..talk about it...
Shaky Fitzgerald: and why
Gracie Kendal: I'd love to get this published in Artnews..
Filthy Fluno: gracie
Gracie Kendal: or Art Forum
Gracie Kendal: yes?
Todd Action: have to write it first gracie
Anton Braendle: Err ... you mean the "apprehensiojn" experience ... not all art here is visual
Esch Snoats: Ouch Todd :D
orb Thursday: i believe it will be soon , gracie
Xerxes Druart: Ars Electronica this year was themed for SL - thats pretty good notice
Gracie Kendal: wow. see I didnt know that X
Gracie Kendal: hehehee true Todd
Filthy Fluno: the way to get SL noticed is to keep attracting and developing artists in here
Gracie Kendal: Esch!!!! hahaha
Esch Snoats was thinking the same thing, he admits.
Gracie Kendal: true too..but since I have to write my thesis....
Gracie Kendal: So honestly...why do we as artists come to SL
Anton Braendle: Yes, about that thesis ... can we get abck to that?
Filthy Fluno: back to the theses
orb Thursday: its avisual blast, this medium
Filthy Fluno: i think gracie is looking for some good ideas here as well
Scarp Godenot: A new form being invented now is the new PARSEC project where interactive 3D immersive art is created by triggering it with voice. This can only be seen and done inside of VR.
Gracie Kendal: LOL and this chat Orb
orb Thursday: and user friendly
Sky Hye: Are you asking for us to answer that for tis meeting, then?
orb Thursday: hahahah
Sky Hye: this
Anton Braendle: Err, Scarp ...no ...it's possible in RL ...
Gracie Kendal: noooo
Gracie Kendal: sky
orb Thursday: perhaps to say there is no deliniation between sl and rl art
Gracie Kendal: just an open discussion about your thoughts
Filthy Fluno: ok
Gracie Kendal: on my topic...
orb Thursday: why seperate the two?
Xerxes Druart: SL is really a technique? Like watercolour
Gracie Kendal: and to give me ideas..
Sky Hye: How did you want us to communicate our reasons to you?
Scarp Godenot: Anton in a lame way in RL
Xerxes Druart: defined by its medium?
Gracie Kendal: no need to...
Muzicole Undertone: Surely there must be a difference between painting IRL and then creating a new way to view that painting in SL - a point of accessibility and using the 3D creational abilities of SL to create SL idiomatic art?
Gracie Kendal: yes, X..but...
orb Thursday: :)
Gracie Kendal: I am talkigna bout it as a community
Filthy Fluno: whoa
Filthy Fluno: people
Gracie Kendal: QWait
Gracie Kendal: ugh
Gracie Kendal: lol
Filthy Fluno: let's read
Filthy Fluno: and then comment
Filthy Fluno: slow this down
Gracie Kendal: ok....
Gracie Kendal: wait...
Filthy Fluno: or i'm tossing you in the lake
Filthy Fluno: LAKE!
Gracie Kendal: I can write a whole book on Sl vs RL..the art techniques..etc
Gracie Kendal: I mean..there is soo much
Gracie Kendal: I am tryign to narrown it down
Gracie Kendal: I love the idea of the art community here
Gracie Kendal: I have made so many amazing friencs...
Gracie Kendal: networking...
Gracie Kendal: rl connections...
Gracie Kendal: there are amazing spaces here..
Filthy Fluno: ok. true.. but is that worthy of art history?
Gracie Kendal: there is no different than the art community in Paris
Filthy Fluno: we need to dig deeper
Gracie Kendal: sure, why not...
Filthy Fluno: cause its too warm and fuzzy
Anton Braendle: What is art history in SL?
orb Thursday: hahahah
Gracie Kendal: I am going to talk to Tayzia to get more of a history....
Filthy Fluno: yes
Filthy Fluno: good place to start
Emilie Cryotank: does anyone document the art projects here/
Emilie Cryotank: ?
Gracie Kendal: definitely
Filthy Fluno: i do
Anton Braendle: What "made" the community a community in Paris 1919 ...
Scarp Godenot: Anton, art history in SL is the development of interactive 3D art.
Gracie Kendal: there are so many, including blogs
Gracie Kendal: LOL
Gracie Kendal: thepeople...
Anton Braendle: Oh, PUllleeeze ...
Filthy Fluno: its also the history of exhibitions
Anton Braendle: Is anyone really documenting it?
Gracie Kendal: its much more scarp
orb Thursday: and good documentation....
Filthy Fluno: yes!
Filthy Fluno: i am!
Scarp Godenot: Yeah I know.
Scarp Godenot: Just one thing
Anton Braendle: And how does that compare to the documentation of RL art?
Gracie Kendal: and I am now
Emilie Cryotank: everything ;)?
Filthy Fluno: its much easier to do it here
Anton Braendle: Yeah, everything?
Gracie Kendal: and nothing....
Gracie Kendal: I mean...
Tee Barrs: document only the necessarys
Gracie Kendal: it deopends on yoru angle..
Anton Braendle: Talked to any of the SL Librarians or goddess forfend, archivists in here?
Emilie Cryotank: who decides what is necessary?
Gracie Kendal: or theoretically...
Ludo Merit: Who judges?
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Lets get back to Paris folks...........
Gracie Kendal: you can talk about it formally...
Filthy Fluno: paris?
Gracie Kendal: no, not yet Anton
Gracie Kendal: Emilie...that will be my decision for my thesis
Emilie Cryotank: ah!
Gracie Kendal: So.....
Gracie Kendal: plus..its only 5-ish pages...
Gracie Kendal: 50
Gracie Kendal: sorry
Gracie Kendal: LOL
Anton Braendle: 50 pages?
Emilie Cryotank: damn small5 pg thesis
Anton Braendle: For your thesis?
Gracie Kendal: yep
Gracie Kendal: I know
Gracie Kendal: LOL yea
Gracie Kendal: I know..I will go over
Esch Snoats: She writes slow
Tee Barrs: guess it is all valuable to the future
Gracie Kendal: thats why I need to narrow it down
Gracie Kendal: hahahaha Esch
Tee Barrs: yes
Gracie Kendal: absolutely
Anton Braendle: YEs, I guess you will need to do some judicious "narrowing" ...
Gracie Kendal: I'd love to document everything and be the Art Historian of SL
Anton Braendle: Then do it ...
Muzicole Undertone: Or small, she might write really really small
Gracie Kendal: but for now..I need to narrow it down...
Gracie Kendal: LOL
Filthy Fluno: you got tons of good stuff here
Filthy Fluno: anton... could you tell us what your background is?
Filthy Fluno: i mean
Filthy Fluno: ?
Anton Braendle: Nope ...no commment ...
Filthy Fluno: ha
Esch Snoats: lol
Gracie Kendal: LOL
Filthy Fluno: scaredy cat
Scarp Godenot: Maybe a take is the democratization of art and the ease of interacting with artist worldwide that hasn't been available previously.
Anton Braendle: Let's just say that I do know what I 'm tlaking about ... okay?
Filthy Fluno: no
Filthy Fluno: you are reading it from Gardners!
Esch Snoats: You have to back it with credentials Anton :D
Gracie Kendal: thats a good word...Democratization too...
Gracie Kendal: Come on guys....
Xerxes Druart: but it has led to a lot of bad art here
Gracie Kendal: why are you here?
Gracie Kendal: as artists?
Xerxes Druart: its often like loking at stuff at teh womens institute
Gracie Kendal: or art patrons?
Scarp Godenot: There is bad art everywhere.
Muzicole Undertone: Democratization... Sounds like a W. Bushism
orb Thursday: both gracie
Emilie Cryotank: well you have to make alota crap before you can make something good
Gracie Kendal: Xerxes!!!!!!!
Sky Hye: You ask this, but when and how do you want answers?
orb Thursday: and the community
Esch Snoats: I don't think anyone comes into SL with art in mind, it's something you find out once you get in world and go "Heyyy I can show my stuff here!"
Emilie Cryotank: Oh I did
Gracie Kendal: well..just genrally right now Sky
Gracie Kendal: to get ideas
Filthy Fluno: yea
Scarp Godenot: I came in with art in mind.
Gracie Kendal: seeee
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: or, Heyyyyy, I can MAKE my stuff here, the stuff in my mind
Esch Snoats: When did you join SL Scarp?
Xerxes Druart: I am surprised there i snot more generative art
Scarp Godenot: Just 3 1/2 months ago
Xerxes Druart: given the medium
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Gravity and Physics and Transparency were my enemies, now they are my friends
Xerxes Druart: computer/program generated works
Xerxes Druart: artificial life (but then I would say that)
Pi Pooraka: what do you mean by generative art?
Esch Snoats: Ok, I can see why you thought that coming in. When Filth and I started SL, there were just 40 galleries and only a couple hundred artists. I had zero clue there was an art community in world till I logged in for the first time. So it wasn't my intention to be an artist in SL when I joined.
Xerxes Druart: art that produces more than the artist puts in
Scarp Godenot: My "art mind" has been expanded since I came here.
Xerxes Druart: that is controversial as in a way everything is ordained by the program
Gracie Kendal: Great Scarp....
Xerxes Druart: but there can be generative , emergent propertties if a system is complex enougjh
Xerxes Druart: or the possibilities so enormous they become unpredictable
Scarp Godenot: I see new possiblilities that I hadn't thought about before.
Gracie Kendal: there is as much diverse art here, as there was in Paris too...
Gracie Kendal: ugh..chat lag
Tee Barrs: think about the net
Gracie Kendal: ok....
Tee Barrs: it has got us all
Tee Barrs: wow
Gracie Kendal: the net...
Emilie Cryotank: damn net
Tee Barrs: internet
Esch Snoats: ;p;
Gracie Kendal: there are 'artist community' websites all over
Esch Snoats: lol
Gracie Kendal: we are different
Muzicole Undertone: In SL there are no practical limitations to what can be 'virtually physically' constructed...
Gracie Kendal: we get together real time...
Gracie Kendal: like now..
Gracie Kendal: to discuss...
Xerxes Druart: an awful lot o fit is conventional 2D "paintings" or 3D sculptures
Pi Pooraka: the artists in Paris just kind of hung out together and shared ideas
Xerxes Druart: few works truly exploit the medium
Gracie Kendal: totally...
orb Thursday: and drank
Tee Barrs: utopia
Tee Barrs: maybe
Xerxes Druart: it seemxs to me that they are the truly intersting pieces
Emilie Cryotank: one can argue that we could do this in an AOL chat room
Gracie Kendal: LOL I'm drinking now, let me tell you :)))
Pi Pooraka: but they really did not do much in the way of collaborating
Xerxes Druart: things you cant m,ake in RL
Scarp Godenot: Xerxes: that is what is exciting
Tee Barrs: a pathway towards it
orb Thursday: hahahah
Gracie Kendal: true Emilie... so that is something I need to think about...
orb Thursday: oh yes..i believe they did
Sparkling Saintlouis: Gracie, it seems to me that you are talking about two things--community and the nature of 'art'
orb Thursday: collaborate
Gracie Kendal: why are we different than an AOL chatroom
Gracie Kendal: noooo
Gracie Kendal: for me its community
Esch Snoats: Because AOL sucks and we don't?
orb Thursday: hahahaha
Gracie Kendal: LOL Esch
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: community is the word
Gracie Kendal: yep
Gracie Kendal: absolutely
Ludo Merit: I have a question about community.
Scarp Godenot: The medium has yet to be fully developed in an artistic sense and we can be the developers. That is exciting.
Gracie Kendal: suer Ludo
Emilie Cryotank: I think this is different because with our avatars we can interact -w- the art like we could if we were physically there with it.
Esch Snoats: Sure Ludo
Xerxes Druart: there is more of an emotional connect
Gracie Kendal: absolutely Scarp
Emilie Cryotank: It's not quite the same, but alot closer than viewing it on a website
Todd Action: they did collaborate in that one artists ideas spurred the next artist on
Gracie Kendal: yes, X!!!!
orb Thursday: yes wake...that is the parallel to the paris group
quadrapop Lane: need to focuis on the interrelationships then instead of gettuing hung up on what is actually made if into community
Muzicole Undertone: We are different from an AOL chat room because here the art can exist as part of a space that the mind understands - a virtual environment.
Gracie Kendal: yes Todd
Scarp Godenot: Emilie hits it on the head.
Gracie Kendal: true Quad
Xerxes Druart: like we may have experienced things or places in SL together
Pi Pooraka: todd...that's not a collaboration
orb Thursday: they shared paintbrishes for heavens sake
Anton Braendle: Todd...that isn't a collaboration ..
Gracie Kendal: wait..need to scroll back for Emilie
Gracie Kendal: LOL
Anton Braendle: THat's an influence ...
Todd Action: mm i dont agree
Ludo Merit: It seems to me as someone with no education in art that I somehow am not qualified to really belong in an art community here, even though it is different here.
Esch Snoats: Why do you think that Ludo?
quadrapop Lane: how about how elros and juria are collaboating and shaering ideas...
Filthy Fluno: no ludo
Filthy Fluno: not true
Emilie Cryotank: and art, and enviornments
Gracie Kendal: Ludo..... not true
Pi Pooraka: ludo...you do
Anton Braendle: Collaboration literally emans working together ...
Anton Braendle: Define community and define collaboration ...
Emilie Cryotank: I think too is psychological, in how one can intereact -w- people here
Muzicole Undertone: I think that it's the environment that defines SL art as much as the art does, but then I'm a builder, I would say that.
orb Thursday: many many great artist were not formally trained
Ludo Merit: I hang around the fringes. I sold 2 paintings.
orb Thursday: many
Gracie Kendal: LOL cole
Anton Braendle: Aldo and Juria "collaborated" to make a mixed form ...
Xerxes Druart: but this is a lot easier than a conventional art forum
Ludo Merit: "paintings'
Tee Barrs: many great artists in here
Anton Braendle: Two diffeerent emdia together .
Tee Barrs: in sl
Gracie Kendal: Ludo...so did many many GREAT artists
Anton Braendle: That's a collaboration
Xerxes Druart: it gets all precious and people are afrqaid to speak out in case their question sounds naive
Scarp Godenot: Easy shmeazy.... that is irrelevant. Art is judged on other things than how hard it is.
Emilie Cryotank: Well that's an ego thing
quadrapop Lane: I collasborate with scripters when what I want to do is beyond my lsl ability
Ludo Merit: Xerxes, exactly, except that I don't scare easy
Filthy Fluno: great comment quad
Filthy Fluno: give quad a bratworst pizza esch
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: this is a LOT less intimidating! In RL sometimes I don't want t owalk into a gallery AS A CUSTOMER, too intimidating. SL is accessible.
Gracie Kendal: LOL yea totally..as artists have done for along tume now Quad
Xerxes Druart: there is no ego here - you can tell who in RL is Jo from the corner shop or Fred director of teh LA art museum or whatever
Tee Barrs: art is relative to all
Esch Snoats points to the counter, "It's over there, help yourself"
Anton Braendle: And that, quad, is one of the unique aspects of art in here ...it requires good scripting ...
Gracie Kendal: yes..Wake
quadrapop Lane takes the pizza and devours it hungrily - is lunch time here
Tee Barrs: and i have enjoyed great art in sl
Filthy Fluno: thanks esch
Filthy Fluno: thanks for nuffin
Todd Action: mm sorry. emergency must dash. bye all
Filthy Fluno: floater
Esch Snoats: Later Todd!
Filthy Fluno: bye todd
Gracie Kendal: uh oh...
quadrapop Lane: oooh bye todd
Gracie Kendal: hope everything is ok
Ludo Merit: I agree with wnoever said it is freer here. I did not consider myself a visual artist until I got here, just performing and writing.
Anton Braendle: And actually, Xerxes, there is very definitley ego in here ..no different than RL in that respect ...
Sky Hye: How many people came in to do art is sl? That is, planned it from the start?
Gracie Kendal: sooo...I love the idea of the community...that we all build it together....
Scarp Godenot: It is freer here because the 'critics' have yet to arrive.... heh heh
Filthy Fluno: NOT ME!
Ludo Merit: Not visual art, but yes.
Esch Snoats: lol Scarp
Gracie Kendal: Not me....
Ludo Merit: Me too gracie
Muzicole Undertone: The critics are the ppl who buy art in SL
orb Thursday: hahahah scarp
Filthy Fluno: bring on the critics
Sky Hye: Did people of 1919 Paris decide to be artists only after arriving?
Emilie Cryotank: I did, and to network and experiment
Filthy Fluno: they will bash in here as much as they bash in RL
Strawberry Holiday: I didn't even know what SL was when I loggedi n the first time.. how could I have known what I was going to do here?
Tee Barrs: surprise
Tee Barrs: hehe
Gracie Kendal: I dont think so Sky...most came to Paris, because they saw what was taking place...
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: that's not exactly fair Sky, SL is too brand new, they knew what their world was like
Sky Hye: Or, did they, as I expect, gravitate to paris?
Anton Braendle: Too new?
Gracie Kendal: and the war
Anton Braendle: How OLD is SL?
Esch Snoats: 5 years
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: SL is too new, we're making it up as we go along.
Anton Braendle: "Bueller? Bueller"?
Gracie Kendal: I mean..Paris was teh center of Art for a long long time before the 20's
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: In Paris 1919, people had been painting for THOUSANDS of years already.
Muzicole Undertone: It's interesting to consider that is a art community here, and not in AOL chatrooms.. or IS there? I dunno. What about other virtual worlds... We know they suck, but do THEY have art communities?
Gracie Kendal: which is whats great about it Wake
Filthy Fluno: lol
quadrapop Lane: more RL stuff - kids and SL are about as good a mix as art & kids
Scarp Godenot: Gracie: good point. Coming to the place where it is perceived to be happening. That is what brought me here.
Sky Hye: And we can't say that of sl, aside from the format, that it is here to make what we wish within.
Gracie Kendal: Hi Alizarin
Gracie Kendal: totally Scarp
Gracie Kendal: I just met with an artist today..a Rl artist...
Gracie Kendal: I told her about it..and she aske me, should I be there???
Gracie Kendal: she's 81...but
Alizarin Goldflake: Hi Gracie
Gracie Kendal: I said...sure
Gracie Kendal: LOL
orb Thursday: i have had that same exp gracie
Emilie Cryotank: 81?
Emilie Cryotank: sweet
Gracie Kendal: she has a studio in venice beach
Gracie Kendal: www.jeanedelstein.com
Ludo Merit: Why not? I'm 67
Gracie Kendal: totally
Filthy Fluno: whoa
Filthy Fluno: that's like... OLD!
Gracie Kendal: she wants to get out there..and she is already well known
Esch Snoats: Age also doesn't matter, especially when dealing with art
Ludo Merit laughs
Gracie Kendal: LOL filthy
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Filthy is 13 in RL
Scarp Godenot: We must get over the hurdle of being perceives as Wow game geeks, however.
Tee Barrs: 62 and counting
Tee Barrs: hehee
Emilie Cryotank: folks who are my moms age tend to fear the computer in my experience ;D
Alizarin Goldflake: at 86 one should have no more shoulds lol
Filthy Fluno: yea
Gracie Kendal: well, in SL age nore gender
Gracie Kendal: I dont think
Ludo Merit: Let's keep counting, Tee!
Anton Braendle: NAh, Filthy's only 12 ...he was lying about being 13
Emilie Cryotank: nor physical appearance either
Gracie Kendal: true Emilie..thats why Im her art assistant.hehehe
Tee Barrs: of course
Esch Snoats: I like it that she asked if she should be here, that means she hasn't "settled"
Filthy Fluno: looks down his pants... sigh... yea.. about 12
Gracie Kendal: LOL Esch
Gracie Kendal: Ok guys...
Gracie Kendal: boys
Filthy Fluno: k
Alizarin Goldflake: lol Filthy
Filthy Fluno: sorry gracie
Tee Barrs: like stairstep u do get to the top sometime
Anton Braendle: Shrinking Filthy?
Muzicole Undertone: What you mean, none of you are the same ages as your avs look??? I'm dumbfounded.
Gracie Kendal: lol
Tee Barrs: ehehhee
Gracie Kendal: soooo
Gracie Kendal: LOL cole
Anton Braendle: I couldn't find the right shade of gray hair ...
Gracie Kendal: honestly....
Esch Snoats: I couldn't find the right shade of scalp...
Filthy Fluno: lmao
Ludo Merit: Hey, my RL bod doesn't look 67 either.
Filthy Fluno: esch
Gracie Kendal: I mean...I could even get into Performance and Duchamp... in teh 20s
Filthy Fluno: yes gracie
Filthy Fluno: you should
Filthy Fluno: absolutely!
Gracie Kendal: and go into Sl with that angle
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: yes, do it.
Gracie Kendal: thats only cuz you want me to write abou tyou Filthy :P
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: please
Gracie Kendal: LOL
Tee Barrs: dont need angles
Filthy Fluno: i think that you ned to deal with the avatar
Filthy Fluno: and yes
Tee Barrs: just straight ahead
orb Thursday: i am contacting a lot of rl artists currently and most of them want to join sl for the community...for exposure and social and a few, the medium
Filthy Fluno: i want 7 pages
Anton Braendle: Good point Filthy
Gracie Kendal: wow.Orb...I want to talk to you later :))
Filthy Fluno: the avatar as art is soooooo important
Alizarin Goldflake: yes - SL as a medium in and of itself
Gracie Kendal: I am going to stick with community...
Gracie Kendal: and write about avatar and identity inanother paper
Esch Snoats: And I think Orb, that that is the biggest boost to the SL art community. You get exposure, even if it doesn't lead to anything it's still getting your work out to show people. I've had more people look at my art in SL in the 2 years I've been here than my entire life in RL
Gracie Kendal: trust me, I thought about it
Anton Braendle: Define community, Gracie?
Filthy Fluno: k
Scarp Godenot: I disrespected the medium to begin with, now I see the medium as the main focus of my artistic intentions.
orb Thursday: yes esch
Ludo Merit: The ava s art is relevant for the community, we have more freedom to present ourselves as we are here.
Muzicole Undertone: But is community promoted in SL by the use of avatars rather than 'real' people.
Muzicole Undertone: ?
Alizarin Goldflake: Musicole - we are real here
Gracie Kendal: Cole...I think its both
Scarp Godenot: Community is helped by the erasure of visual prejudice.
Muzicole Undertone: Of course we are
Gracie Kendal: wow...true scarp
Filthy Fluno: nice scarp
Emilie Cryotank: I agree scarp
Scarp Godenot: And ageism
Pi Pooraka: then why aren't we all just big blobs?
Emilie Cryotank: and occasionaly gender
Scarp Godenot: Young middle and old who knows who is who?
Gracie Kendal: I think community is about people gettign together in whatever respect...to socialize...
Emilie Cryotank: we are vain :D
Alizarin Goldflake: Pi - you have a point :)
Gracie Kendal: build..educate...
Gracie Kendal: there is so much to that...
Xerxes Druart: I wonder is the art community here older than the average ?
Ludo Merit: Some of us are bats or devils, hey.
Xerxes Druart: seems to be a few greybeards here (myself included)
Pi Pooraka: i thought a community was for all to help each other
Scarp Godenot: Pi the point is we can be whatever we want and change daily.
Emilie Cryotank: someone should do a poll
Filthy Fluno: patrons are also important part of an arts community
Muzicole Undertone: But how much easier is it to be a community when we are represented as avatars? Especially avs who are designed by ppl like Filthy, who are very aware of the potential of 'the avatar as art'...
Tee Barrs: age is relative
Ludo Merit: True, Filthy
Pi Pooraka: if you change daily...you can't remain a community
Ludo Merit: And it doesn t cost so much to be a p[atron here
Scarp Godenot: Filthy: patrons are definitely necessary. Patrons with cash.
Xerxes Druart: noit that it matters but if you are describing the artistic community in a thesis you need to know who your gfroup is?
Emilie Cryotank: I agree, but the general stats would be an interesting factoid
Filthy Fluno: yes
Filthy Fluno: and patrons with skills
Gracie Kendal: LOl xerxes.... the artists
Gracie Kendal: what do you mean?
orb Thursday: and patrons with prims!
Pi Pooraka: where are the Medicis when you need them
Tee Barrs: i am a poor patron
Tee Barrs: but i enjoy the art
Tee Barrs: wow
Scarp Godenot: and patrons with a desire to promote art and artists
Anton Braendle: No, Xerxes ...it amtters a lot ... she needs a good definition of comunity
Gracie Kendal: LOL there are many art collectors here
Gracie Kendal: as well as writers, poets...etc
Ludo Merit nods
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: I disagree Pi, I change a lot buy my community just accepts that as part of who I am. I'm black and featureless, but just today.
Filthy Fluno: Tayzia is a big one here as well as Razi
Scarp Godenot: There are patrons who support whole sims
Esch Snoats: And Sasun
Alizarin Goldflake: gracie i hope we can get the transcript of this whole thing tomorrow because i have to log off now :(
Gracie Kendal: Yes, definitely
Gracie Kendal: sure
Gracie Kendal: Have a great day Alizarin
Alizarin Goldflake: what will be the url for the transcript?
Filthy Fluno: seeya ali
Ludo Merit: Who is the we that gets the transcript?
Filthy Fluno: artropolitans.com
Alizarin Goldflake: hey filthy - nite
Filthy Fluno: yes
Alizarin Goldflake: ty
Ludo Merit: Thanks
Esch Snoats: I hope someone was logging it
Filthy Fluno: please had thm
Esch Snoats: lol we're doing transcripts of art talks now? :D
Alizarin Goldflake: god bless
Filthy Fluno: right wake?
Anton Braendle: She has to be able to provide citations, so yeah!
Gracie Kendal: ugh...froze
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: we are????
Gracie Kendal: Definitely
Filthy Fluno: oy vey
Gracie Kendal: LOL
Filthy Fluno: i thought you were doing that?
Anton Braendle: *grin
Anton Braendle: There's 50 pages ...
Filthy Fluno: what kind of wrinky dink community is ths
Gracie Kendal: LOL yea Anton
quadrapop Lane: always logging chat....
Esch Snoats: One that doesn't believe in chat logs apparently
Anton Braendle: Who's the hsitorina of this group anyway?
Emilie Cryotank: so, how many folks here have had a website before SL? and has being on SL improved your exposure... or whatever it was you were trying to accomplish?
Sky Hye: I have.
Scarp Godenot: Me
Filthy Fluno: stares at the fly on the wall
Anton Braendle: A website? A single website ...LOL
Esch Snoats: lol
Scarp Godenot: I got 6
Filthy Fluno: artropolitans.com
Gracie Kendal: my website came becasue of SL
Sky Hye: Sl hasn't effected anything, that I can see yet.
Tee Barrs: this is only an extension of rl
Esch Snoats: I think she meant art related site
Gracie Kendal: and my portfolio :P
Filthy Fluno: oh
Emilie Cryotank: yes
Sky Hye: But not trying yet, either.
Tee Barrs: just as real
Filthy Fluno: sky
Sky Hye: Yeah?
Filthy Fluno: what do you mean?
Strawberry Holiday: I had a SL website, www.wingedstrawberry.com-- but now I'm at www. strawberryholiday.com
Scarp Godenot: I'm having a SL photography show in RL in a couple of months!
Scarp Godenot: That affects RL
Sky Hye: I haven't tried to make sl work for my rl career yet, Filthy.
Strawberry Holiday: eep a website before SL I mean
Tee Barrs: just as much work
Gracie Kendal: oh wow..Scarp great
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: That's cool Scarp!
Filthy Fluno: nice scarp!
Tee Barrs: hehehhe
Scarp Godenot: The more the merrier!
Filthy Fluno: do us proud
Xerxes Druart: sorry bean away - lunch (did you know of all teh placves in the world Quadrapop and I live a few kms apart! - thats SL too
quadrapop Lane: way to go scarp
quadrapop Lane: lol
quadrapop Lane: try 20ks but yes within meeting distance...
Xerxes Druart: I meant you need to know stats about the artistic community
Xerxes Druart: of course after you define your group
Filthy Fluno: sasun and slart mag
Filthy Fluno: and tayzia
Pi Pooraka: not all art translates from RL to SL well
Filthy Fluno: and me
quadrapop Lane: lol
Anton Braendle: And don't forget DC ...if he'll talk.
Filthy Fluno: yes
Emilie Cryotank: ah, are artists in Sl people who make stuff or are artists folks who make and promote? what is the definition?
Esch Snoats: Well it doesn't have to be a website specific to SL, just one that you made after you joined SL to promote your RL art more, etc
Esch Snoats: Crossovers, etc
Scarp Godenot: When I first got here, I didn't take SL photography seriously. Now I do. There are great possibilities here.
Filthy Fluno: i agree scarp
Anton Braendle: I disagree ...
Gracie Kendal: sorry was afk rl for a sec
Tee Barrs: possibilities r everywhere
Anton Braendle: Sorry ...
Filthy Fluno: the sl snapshot can be an amazing documentary tool
quadrapop Lane: and you need to define what you mean by art in SL - I am doing a series of survey shows... started out with teh visual arts... in 6 mopnths will do the performance and avatar related arts
Tee Barrs: as u share your share will grow
Scarp Godenot: Have you tried it Anton? what is your arguemnt against it.
Anton Braendle: Yes, I've tried it ...
quadrapop Lane: and then 6 months after that a show surveying design and architechture
Filthy Fluno: which can be art when done correct
Anton Braendle: And we don't have time or space for why I disagree here ...
Anton Braendle: We're here to talk about Gracie's thesis
quadrapop Lane: then cycle back tothe beginning as what is possible will have changed
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: an we hold off on SL Photography is /isn't art for now? I promise an ArtTalk on that.
Anton Braendle: Not th history of photography
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Back to Paris and Communitiy
Anton Braendle: Yep ...back to Pairs ...and WHAT was the community?
Anton Braendle: Was it truly a community?
Filthy Fluno: yea
Filthy Fluno: viva paree
Tee Barrs: presentation can take its toll here in sl
Gracie Kendal: LOL
Anton Braendle: Or was it an artificial social gathering
Tee Barrs: tends to cause lag
orb Thursday: la boheme
Pi Pooraka: oui oui, sil vous plait
Scarp Godenot: Maybe we need a 'manifesto' or two....
Filthy Fluno: lol
quadrapop Lane: or a construct of art history....
Gracie Kendal: LOL
Filthy Fluno: talk to DC about manifest
Scarp Godenot: DC scares me....
Filthy Fluno: that guy has them dripping out his nostrils
Anton Braendle: NO we need an understanding of what constitutes a community, is that definition applicable to the environment of SL and further does it pertain to art and artists here
Muzicole Undertone: Can SL be related to the Cafe culture of 1920s Paris that spawned so many artistic collaborations in art and music and literature?
quadrapop Lane: there are definitely SL subcultures
Anton Braendle: I'm glad to hear that DC scares you ...
Emilie Cryotank: yes it was, people loitered at salons, exhanged ideas, had shows & worked together.. of course they argued and fought over theories and ideas as well ...
Filthy Fluno: yea
Gracie Kendal: What do you guys think?> Can we call ourselves a community??
Emilie Cryotank: it wasn't harmonious
Emilie Cryotank: sure
Filthy Fluno: we can't just all congratulate eachother all the time
Xerxes Druart: it seems to me - like all staring art forems the artists are ahead of teh context
orb Thursday: oui!
Filthy Fluno: yes
Muzicole Undertone: Good point Filthy
Xerxes Druart: the critics adn history are still immature
Filthy Fluno: i think there is a core
Emilie Cryotank: I love you all and we should be bestest friends
Filthy Fluno: look
Filthy Fluno: in RL
Filthy Fluno: for 10 years
Gracie Kendal: who are you Emilie?
Xerxes Druart: gracies thesis will be one of the first to try to document what is going on here
Gracie Kendal: LOL
Filthy Fluno: i ran an arts organization
Scarp Godenot: Anton I think your requirements are fulfilled here among those I have met who are engaged in creating new technological art.
Filthy Fluno: and helped build a local arts community
Emilie Cryotank: who am I? An artist, painter
Anton Braendle: Nope ...it's only just starting, Scarp
Gracie Kendal: Im teasing
Filthy Fluno: and its getting there in SL
Tee Barrs: nite all
Emilie Cryotank: ;)
Filthy Fluno: night Tee
Tee Barrs: have a great nite
Gracie Kendal: Bye Tee
Tee Barrs: :)
orb Thursday: ta tee
Filthy Fluno: community is students, artists, educators, patrons, gov't,
Scarp Godenot: Anton says you!
Filthy Fluno: not just peeps making shit
Anton Braendle: Waht are the time parameters of the artitistic community Gracie is describing?
quadrapop Lane: well we have all that here in SL
Gracie Kendal: I dont think there has to be time parameters
Gracie Kendal: Sl moves so fast anyway
Anton Braendle: Err, no, Scarp ... I actuall have some objective data to back me up on this ...
Gracie Kendal: so you cant judge it by time.
Muzicole Undertone: It think there might be something in the fact that 20s Paris was one of the first communities that was self-aware and set out to create AS a community. Is that happening in SL?
Anton Braendle: Yes...there do, Gracie ...
Anton Braendle: That community changed over time ...
Anton Braendle: So dioes this one
Gracie Kendal: ok, in that respect true
Anton Braendle: There was an earlier "artistic" community in Paris, that was very much self aware ...
Anton Braendle: An earlier one, in fact ...
Emilie Cryotank: everything evolves
Sky Hye: I'm wondering how important the critics were in 1919 paris, and do we have important critics in sl who reach the outside world?
Anton Braendle: Its' existence gave rise to the possibility of the one of the 1920's
Anton Braendle: Hehe...dont' tell the creationists, Emilie!
Gracie Kendal: the Impressionistera?
Anton Braendle: Yep ...
Emilie Cryotank: hey, i'm all about the flying spagetti monster
Anton Braendle: Paris, 1920 as you describe it wouldn't have been possible without them
Pi Pooraka: hail to the flying spaghetti monster
Anton Braendle: Right on Emilie!
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Ok Folks, this is your moderator speaking................. time is up .......... feel free to stay as long as you wish, no problems there but what Gracie, as the guest, is doing is hard work, Don't be mad if she needs to leave. She can stay also, obviously.
Scarp Godenot: Critics and historians sort out what happened later. This is a community. We are inspired to create new things. It can't as yet be done elsewhere.
Anton Braendle: All hail spaghetti!
Esch Snoats: Thanks Gracie for doing this
Sparkling Saintlouis: Good luck, Gracie!
Filthy Fluno: hey wake
Gracie Kendal: Thanks for listening :))
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Thanks Gracie!!!!!!!
Filthy Fluno: do you have transcripts from previous talks?
Anton Braendle: Good night, Gracie!
orb Thursday: thank you gracie....
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: we'lle meet here next week, same time
Gracie Kendal: and adding comments suggestions etc :))
Sky Hye: Thanks Gracie, and Wake!
Gracie Kendal: Thank you Anton :))
Muzicole Undertone: I'm really informed by a cursory knowledge of a group of composers who were in Paris in the 20s... I'm not an artist, I'm a musician... But something does seem to have happened in Paris in the 20s that had not happened before.
Xerxes Druart: yes good choice Gracie - of Thesis topic
Filthy Fluno: thanks Gracie!
Emilie Cryotank: thanks! this was really interesting
Xerxes Druart: gotta get writing though LOL
Gracie Kendal: LOL thx X :))
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: to walk through and discuss the collaboration that SHerpa Voyager have been working on, Political is Personal. A Field Trip!
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: We both hope to see you all here for that.
Scarp Godenot: Aren't we just getting going? let's not spot yet....
Esch Snoats: Also everyone we now have the Art Talk schedule posted on the events board out front here
Esch Snoats: as well as have the schedule up on the website
Gracie Kendal: Thanks so much Wake as always :))
orb Thursday: thanks again gracie...night ya'll
quadrapop Lane: Gracie... I'd like to talk to you later...
orb Thursday: :)
Filthy Fluno: night ORB!!
quadrapop Lane: :-)
Ludo Merit: I am very interested in this thesis, with its focus on the community and with my ancient Sociology degree.
Filthy Fluno: that orb is one hot mamma
Gracie Kendal: thx so much LUdo :))
Emilie Cryotank: heh!
Xerxes Druart: I seriously need to go get lunch.....and do some work LOL
Xerxes Druart: bye Gracie
Scarp Godenot: So, Gracie: Does a community need a focus of similar goals to be a community? I'm leaning towards saying no.
Ludo Merit: Thanks, Gracie
Gracie Kendal: thx for coming X :)) We'll talk later on :))
quadrapop Lane: bye garcie - I'll read the logs of the bits i missed
Gracie Kendal: no, i dont think so
Anton Braendle: Gah! It's part of what DEFINES a community ...
Gracie Kendal: lolol
Xerxes Druart: I'll be back with a sandwhich ;-)
quadrapop Lane: hehe shared values amkes a community
Anton Braendle: You can't just make up a definition out of thin air ...look at your pprecedents ...
Emilie Cryotank: I'd say no, a community is just made up of people
Scarp Godenot: Gah! According to you!
Emilie Cryotank: shared ornot shared
Scarp Godenot: Communities form without somebody's set of rules.
Anton Braendle: NO, according to sociologist, anthriopologist, art historians ...
Filthy Fluno: yes.. but rules can help
Filthy Fluno: i almost think they are crucial
Emilie Cryotank: groups form out of shared ideas, not communities
Anton Braendle: They may "form" spontaneously ...but there are reasons, as human creatures tht this happens ...
quadrapop Lane: dictuionary.com
Anton Braendle: Did ytoiu think it was magic?
quadrapop Lane: 1. a social group of any size whose members reside in a specific locality, share government, and often have a common cultural and historical heritage. 2. a locality inhabited by such a group. 3. a social, religious, occupational, or other group sharing common characteristics or interests and perceived or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists (usually prec. by the): the business community; the community of scholars. 4. a group of associated nations sharing common interests or a common heritage: the community of Western Europe. 5. Ecclesiastical. a group of men or women leading a common life according to a rule. 6. Ecology. an assemblage of interacting populations occupying a given area. 7. joint possession, enjoyment, liability, etc.: community of property. 8. similar character; agreement; identity: community of interests. 9. the community, the public; society: the needs of the community.
Scarp Godenot: We don't need rules here..... obviously.
Filthy Fluno: oy vey
Emilie Cryotank: dictionary ninja
Anton Braendle: Thank you quad ...
quadrapop Lane: have a dictionary definition
Esch Snoats: lol
Arcturus Itano: lol
quadrapop Lane: hey I always started there when writing essays...
Scarp Godenot: definition does not equal rules
quadrapop Lane: damn philiosphy essays
Anton Braendle: Oy ...
Filthy Fluno: dictionary shmictionary
Gracie Kendal: LOL
Emilie Cryotank: who says there has to be rules?
quadrapop Lane: thnx filthy
Anton Braendle: It's thesis ...
Filthy Fluno: i say there has to be rules
Scarp Godenot: Anton does
Filthy Fluno: me
Filthy Fluno: this guy
Anton Braendle: It means that there are certain things that must be in there ...
Esch Snoats: lol
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: I gotta run folks, my installation which I just invited you all to, isn't quite finished yet...
Emilie Cryotank: thesis is theory, not a rule book
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Was fun, thanks all and Thanks Gracie!
Anton Braendle: I haven't sadi a word about "rules" ...
Gracie Kendal: LOL Wake...see you soon :))
Esch Snoats: I need to go take off and get stuff done. Night everyone! Thanks for coming
Filthy Fluno: community needs rules
Ludo Merit: A community is something that acts like a community
Sky Hye: By Wake.
Filthy Fluno: by wake
Sky Hye: Bye, I mean
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: bye!!!!!!
Gracie Kendal: thx Esch :)) see you soon :))
Pi Pooraka: nite wake
Scarp Godenot: Ludo, that is all you need
Anton Braendle: Bye, Wake