Host: PleaseWakeMeUp Idler
January 28, 2008
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: yes, grab a TP and go. Then come back here at 6:45
Minki DeCuir: komuso
Minki DeCuir: tokugawa
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: cool, he's great
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: his place is here also
Minki DeCuir: i might be in wrong spot
Minki DeCuir: going to explore
Minki DeCuir: :))
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: bye!
Isolde Flamand: hello
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: hi!Grab a TP from the cube
Isolde Flamand: ...rezzing...
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: we'll meet back here at 6:45
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: cube is behind you.
Isolde Flamand: ok
Isolde Flamand: got one
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: see ya!
Isolde Flamand: thx
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Iraqi Casualties: Mahmoud, son of Khalef Hussain, 4-Mar-07, different parts of Mosul
Iraqi Casualties: Mustafa Hussein, grandson of Saddam Hussein, 22-Jul-03, al-Falah neithbourhood, Mosul
Iraqi Casualties: wife of brother of Razak al-Kazem al-Khafaji, 31-Mar-03, Haidariya region near Hilla
Iraqi Casualties: Azad Mohammed Hassan, 10-Oct-06, northeast Baghdad
Iraqi Casualties: [employee of Iraqna mobile phone company], 7-Oct-06, western Baghdad
Iraqi Casualties: Nael Mohammed Daflah, 23-Feb-07, Al-Khalis
Iraqi Casualties: Sheikh Ali Hussein Shalash, 6-Aug-06, Falluja
Iraqi Casualties: Hadi Hassan Omran, 7-Sep-05, Doura, Baghdad
Iraqi Casualties: Brother of 12-yr-old killed, 1-May-05, Zafaraniyah, Baghdad
Iraqi Casualties: grandchildren of Hajj Muhammad Abdul Karim, 7-Jul-07, Basra
Iraqi Casualties: Abd-al-Muttalib Abd-al-Razzaq al-Hashimi / Abdel-Mutallieb Al-Hashemi, 31-Jan-07, Baghdad morgue
Iraqi Casualties: Brothers, 10-Jun-06, Khan Bani Saad
Iraqi Casualties: Muhammad Mahrus Muhammad, 15-Jan-06, bodies found in Turkulan, between Kirkuk and Beiji
Iraqi Casualties: Serwan Abdulsamad, 11-Jul-06, Irbil or Tameem
Iraqi Casualties: Najah Abdel-Ridha, 28-Mar-03, Al-Nasser marketplace, Baghdad
Iraqi Casualties: Shehab Mohammad al-Hiti / Shihab Muhammad al-Haiti, 28-Oct-07, Northern Baghdad
Iraqi Casualties: Azzedine Belkadi, 27-Jul-05, Baghdad?
Iraqi Casualties: Son of Qasim Daham al-Hamadani, 30-Jan-06, Muqdadiya
Iraqi Casualties: Arkan Ali Sulaiman, 14-Feb-06, Tikrit
Iraqi Casualties: Munim al-Izmerly, 31-Jan-04, Ebensina Hospital, Baghdad
Iraqi Casualties: Abdul Aziz Farman, 9-Apr-05, Northwest Mosul
Iraqi Casualties: Husayn Diyab al-Ubaydi, 9-Nov-07, Dojemah, near
Pi Pooraka: hi gracie
Gracie Kendal: /hiya, I didnt know if we were supposed to be quiet :))
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: you don't have to be quiet
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: be whatever you want
Gracie Kendal: ok, thats hard here
Gracie Kendal: Its soo powerful
You shout: But time is up folks. gotta get the trains in on time, back to the brat and we can chat.
Emilie Cryotank: ::sigh:: i'll brb
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Transparent Banshee: heehehhe
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: I'm here!
Sherpa Voyager: Like your pipe, Transparent.
Transparent Banshee: hiya :-))
Transparent Banshee: ty
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Have a seat everyone
Transparent Banshee: so do I especially as I gae up in RL a year and ahalf ago :-))
Jeanni Nishi: Did I tale your seat, Wake?
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: don't worry,
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: If I got possesive over a seat, man...
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: And besides, I can just AR you ... :- )
Transparent Banshee: hehehehe
Jeanni Nishi: heh!
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Ok, lets get started.
Sherpa Voyager: So anyway, about the installation
Sherpa Voyager: we want to discuss it as art if possible
Sherpa Voyager: and not whether or not folks agree with the statements per se.
Sherpa Voyager: Though I expect that has to play into it at some level.
Emilie Cryotank: ok!
Sherpa Voyager: Initial reactions?
Sky Hye: What I appreciate about the exhibit is the pace that is encouraged. It is not a 15 minute walk through. I think much time could be spent there, soaking it in.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Yes, we realized that while it was in progress!
Harlequin Randt: Yes, I wish i had started earlier
Sky Hye: It has to do with the over titles.
Transparent Banshee: I'm happy to have seen it, very cool
Sherpa Voyager: It's the first time that Wake and I have created something together.
Transparent Banshee: I must leave pretty soon though...
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: np Trans
Sherpa Voyager: We weren't at all sure if our styles would work together.
Emilie Cryotank: for me it had an extra layer as I got the state of the union speach on the tv as I went through that... it was amazing -w- all the layers
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: We understand the Time Zone challenged... :- )
Sky Hye: Trans, give your reaction, before you go.
Transparent Banshee: hehehehe
Sherpa Voyager: Oh, my yes. THE TIMING! I'd forgotetten that
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: I forgot about that!!!
Harlequin Randt: it was perfect timing
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: godo
Sky Hye: I was listening to that too, it was very ironic.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: good
Emilie Cryotank: yes it was!
Sherpa Voyager: Gosh. Wish we could take credit for that.
Emilie Cryotank: shh, take credit!
Transparent Banshee: well, Sky and I was pondering over how many times the truth can be told without it having an impact on the world....
Emilie Cryotank: ;)
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: yeah, I don't know that one!
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: but good point
Sky Hye: Us old folks remember Viet Nam, for example
Sherpa Voyager: The artists are the ones who know. Look at Dylan. How many deaths will it take till he knows that too many people have died?
Sherpa Voyager: The artists tell the truth.
Transparent Banshee: right
Sky Hye: It's a grim responsibility.
Harlequin Randt: What struck me most about your installation, was the screening of the red, walking through it
Transparent Banshee: and again and again...and again.....
Sherpa Voyager: Perhaps that's one of our functions.
Sky Hye: Grim inspiration.
Sherpa Voyager: To be the voices
Sherpa Voyager: The prophency
Harlequin Randt: Something that you could not have accomplished in rl
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: The red was a result of the collaboration
Sherpa Voyager: Right, true.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: It wasn't there at first and neither of us liked
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: it wthout it
Sky Hye: Really, Wake?
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Jus the words and the watchers
Sherpa Voyager: YEah, the red was brilliant.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: it didn't work at all.
Sherpa Voyager: It feels like an open wound.
Sherpa Voyager: That was all Wake's idea.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: So I had those laying around from a failed scuplture
Sky Hye: Wake, was it your idea, then Sherpa's approval?
Emilie Cryotank: or a blood cloud
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: threw it down and turned it red
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: I did it without her
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: but we both thought it was better, right?
Sherpa Voyager: We just put stuff out there ... no approval.
Harlequin Randt: it gave it another dimension, of moving into another time and thought process
Sherpa Voyager: I started with the words.
Sky Hye: Some collaboration
Harlequin Randt: The red i mean
Transparent Banshee: guys 4 Am...and counting....have a good night....and fly by greenhouse and look at the new building :-))
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: The red was all mine
Sherpa Voyager: When the poem was halfway done he started seeing what he would create
Sky Hye: Got it.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: bye Trans! thanks for cmoming
Sherpa Voyager: We talked about it.
Sherpa Voyager: A lot.
Sky Hye: Bye Transparent.
Ludo Merit: That must have been fun!
Sherpa Voyager: But the art is really his.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Yeah, I couldn't start the installation until I saw the poem
Transparent Banshee: toy for ha
Sky Hye: Talk to you again soon.
Transparent Banshee: ty for the invite
Transparent Banshee: byee..slepp well all :-))
Brian Hitchcock: big gathering
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: I thought it would be more verses, but shorter, but she told me at the start it would be dark
Sherpa Voyager: Thanks for coming, Transparent.
Filthy Fluno: brian
Filthy Fluno: this is small compared to the last few
Filthy Fluno: but a good size
Sherpa Voyager: What I found difficult
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Welcome Brian!
Brian Hitchcock: where r u
Sherpa Voyager: was the physicality of it.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: over by the chairs
Sherpa Voyager: I had to write something
Filthy Fluno: hey guys
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: in the corner
Sherpa Voyager: that could be read
Filthy Fluno: brian is a RL painter
Sherpa Voyager: starting at any point.
Filthy Fluno: used to belong here at artop
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: hey Brian!
Filthy Fluno: til i kick his ass out
Brian Hitchcock: hi
Emilie Cryotank: Hi brian!
Sherpa Voyager: I'm a control freak, it was hard not to tell people HOW to read it!
Emilie Cryotank: heh
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: have a seat, we're discussing an installation
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: I'll give a LM afterwards
Filthy Fluno: he paints like michaelangelo on crack
Harlequin Randt: I did find myself wondering as if lost
Filthy Fluno: sky.. you'd especially appreciate his painting
Brian Hitchcock: hi all
Sherpa Voyager: Good. That was meant.
Filthy Fluno: brian you too
Filthy Fluno: ok.. sorry
Emilie Cryotank: I'd like to see that!
Filthy Fluno: i'll shutup now
Harlequin Randt: it was very well done
Jeanni Nishi accepted your inventory offer.
Sky Hye: I didn't catch the whole context of that, Filthy. Does this relate to the discussion?
Sherpa Voyager: We wanted you to feel disoriented
Sherpa Voyager: lost
Sherpa Voyager: maybe a little scared
Sherpa Voyager: maybe a little sick
Ludo Merit: That worked
Emilie Cryotank: So it's not done then? is that correct?
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: It is complete
Jeanni Nishi: be back soon-- going to see the installation!
Harlequin Randt: It gave you a feeling of wandering, hopelessness, and the red seemed to disquise everything
Sherpa Voyager: Yeah, this is it.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: I might do something about the voices upstairs so they don't intefere with the poety downstairs
Emilie Cryotank: ah, I thought someone said it wasn't ;)
Sherpa Voyager: I feel claustrophibic in it... like I can't breathe.
Sherpa Voyager: That was not accidental.
Sherpa Voyager: Wake is brilliant.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: ty! but you are also
Sherpa Voyager: We'll probably do some more work together
Sky Hye: Good idea
Sherpa Voyager: Especially as I'm now writer-in-residence here!
Sky Hye: Hmm!!
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: buy maybe something ligher?
Sherpa Voyager: Yeah, I'm going to try hope out, see if it works for me.
Sherpa Voyager: we'll see.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: What was it like to see the names of the dead?
Sherpa Voyager: I tend to write dark things anyway, even in RL.
Sherpa Voyager: Yes, how did that affect people?
Jeanni Nishi accepted your inventory offer.
Sky Hye: Sort of invasive.
Sherpa Voyager: Did you read all the names?
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: what does invasive mean there?
Emilie Cryotank: almost overwelming. they scrolled by rather fast there were so many
Sky Hye: It is very inconvenient to be confronted with personal.
Harlequin Randt: There were just too many, of course
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: good!
Sherpa Voyager: Sky, you rock!
Sherpa Voyager: Perfect!
Sky Hye: Yes, good
Sherpa Voyager: We like being inconvenient
Sherpa Voyager: Again, it's the artist's role.
Sky Hye: Yes. Good. Really.
Sherpa Voyager: To point out what people don't want to see.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: to poke a stick in you.
Sky Hye: Now to get people in who need to be poked.
Sherpa Voyager: Or should art be something different? It's okay to argue if you don't agree with what I'm saying ....
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: I found it very disconcerting working on the database of names, very hard to be worring about the coding and realzing that James had died, or "wife of Adbul"
Sherpa Voyager: I can take it (grin)
Sky Hye: I, personally, feel that art should have a higher purpose than decoration.
Filthy Fluno: no way sky! really? you?
Ludo Merit: If two artists agree about what art is I would be very amazed.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: You'll like one of the Feb talks, that is teh topic
Harlequin Randt: i would like to think that many would not agree with what is occurring there, and that there may some hope left in the heart of man.
Sherpa Voyager: Is it to inform? Entertain? Challenge?
Sky Hye: It must say something of the artist, the world, the community...
Emilie Cryotank: heh are we going to have a 'what is art' conversatin now/
Emilie Cryotank: ?
Sky Hye: Hehe, Filthy.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: no no no!!!
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Feb is "What is Art" month, really.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: A whole month of it.
Sherpa Voyager: Yeah, it is. Sorry. My fault.
Emilie Cryotank: Well it's almost feb, don't feel bad :D
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: ha!
Sky Hye: This is not about what art is, but how I as an artist want to expend my creative energy.
Sherpa Voyager: But I think about that ... why we're doing this. And *are* we preaching to the choir?
Ludo Merit: I have a husband who would have shut that whole exhibit out, forgot it even existed.
Sherpa Voyager: Or are we just doing visual mental masturbation?
Harlequin Randt: well actually i think that your singing to the choir
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: wow Ludo
Filthy Fluno: yea.. ludo
Emilie Cryotank: well who do you mean by the choir?
Filthy Fluno: easy there
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: make him see it then??? :- )
Harlequin Randt: but it needs to be heard outside
Sky Hye: It's only masterbation if no one looks but you.
Sherpa Voyager: You know ... saying the words to people who already believe as you do.
Ludo Merit: He felt the same way about, what was that place, the one about reincarnatioon?
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: don't know that palce
Sherpa Voyager: Poor Ludo.
Sherpa Voyager: That sounds difficult.
Ludo Merit: I'll see if I can findit. It is great. Makes you think. Interactive
Emilie Cryotank: but how do you know only those people will come across it? although now we come to the pesky part of informing people it exists and to drive traffic there
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Yeah, I have no idea how to do that.
Sherpa Voyager: Yeah ... marketing!
Sherpa Voyager: Ugh.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: And the site isn't cheap, not cheap at all.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: so it can't stay up forever.
Sky Hye: I know someone who could review it for you...
Emilie Cryotank: does SL have press releases? ;)
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: ha!!!
Ludo Merit: Yep
Sherpa Voyager: Gee, Sky, really? (grin)
Sky Hye: I got a review just last week.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Actually, a guest review would be great... wouldn't look so incestuous.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: hint hint
Sky Hye: Let me see...
Sherpa Voyager: Maybe you can put in a good word for us.
Sherpa Voyager: Maybe you can write the review for us!
Sky Hye: Yes, I'll make an IM to him after this meeting.
Sherpa Voyager: But I have to ask ...
Sky Hye: So much to do!
Filthy Fluno: a real life art critic sky?
Emilie Cryotank: :)
Ludo Merit: Thursdays Fictions Grove. Fantas, Esperance (239, 41, 21)
Sky Hye: Yes. He is the new SLNN critic.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Thanks Ludo
Sherpa Voyager: Sky, earlier you said that you had a problem with Conspicuous Consumption. Do you still feel that way?
Filthy Fluno: oh cool
Sky Hye: It's tighter now.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Yeah, I changed it based on your early comments
Sky Hye: Of course, I can't see it fresh anymore.
Sherpa Voyager: Tried to be clearer.
Sherpa Voyager: Yeah, there's that.
Sky Hye: I think it should work now.
Sherpa Voyager: We talked a lot about your comments.
Sky Hye: Good.
Sky Hye: Were they valid?
Sherpa Voyager: They were helpful; thank you again.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: What did people think of that, coming across 1,000 prims used like that, wastefully
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: oh yes, they were!
Sky Hye: Good.
Sherpa Voyager: I'm not sure I agree with them, but they were surely valid. Of course they were valid.
Emilie Cryotank: I liked the direction you were going in, -w- commenting on waste, human life, and consumerism
Ludo Merit: I was not counting prims! Which is rare, I always count prims.
Sky Hye: Well, if you were in total disagreement, it would be fair to say they were not valid.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: there were 1,000 in that upper room alone
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: just sitting there
Sherpa Voyager: Not at all! Your opinion is valued, I know you to be thoughtful. Of course what you say is valid.
Ludo Merit: I was too busy thinking about death and violence
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Interesting Ludo
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: So the visceral was getting to you that way.
Sherpa Voyager: We wanted to connect consumerism and violence.
Sky Hye: I am not offering to be modest. It seems reasonable that I might have missed the mark in my comments.
Emilie Cryotank: Ji Jeanni
Ludo Merit: Well, I didn't get to the upper room, came late
Emilie Cryotank: hi rather
Jeanni Nishi: hi again
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: You'll have to go back then.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: hi Jeanni
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Any comments?
Sherpa Voyager: (laughing) Sky, I do see what you're saying. And I really take your comments seriously. I realized I hadn't explained my point adequately, and you helped me see that.
Ludo Merit: Must leave, see you next time.
Sherpa Voyager: How incredibly helpful is that?
Sky Hye: I understand. :)
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: BYe Ludo, see you aronud
Emilie Cryotank: Bye Ludo
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Welcome Manx
Manx Wharton: Hey gang.
Filthy Fluno: hey manx
Filthy Fluno: have a sit
Emilie Cryotank: Hi Manx
Manx Wharton: why sure.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Manx, we're discussing an installation that we all visited
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: I'll give a LM right after it
Jeanni Nishi: Manx was at the install when I just went
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: oh good!!!!
Manx Wharton: just blew by it for a bit and thought I'd stop by.
Sherpa Voyager: So... any other thoughts?
Manx Wharton: from me?
Sherpa Voyager: (or were you all just bored by it?)
Jeanni Nishi: The red that you walk through was, after all, important...
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: sure, you and Jeanni
Sky Hye: I think, since the show is visual and in your face, maybe more guilt inducing faces would be in order.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: oh, I can do more faces....
Harlequin Randt: i found it exhausting
Jeanni Nishi: and coming upon parts of the poem... felt like screams in the dark
Sherpa Voyager: Interesting.
Manx Wharton: it was a little static until my screen filled with casualties.
Emilie Cryotank: I liked the combo of words and those... watcher things looking at me
Sky Hye: Perhaps a wallpapering of faces around the inside walls.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: The watchers came to me in a vision
Emilie Cryotank: it seemd accusitory and.... oh how shall I put this... like a marker or memory.
Emilie Cryotank: or something
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: I saw things looming above me
Manx Wharton: love that fro, Flithy! :D
Filthy Fluno: thanks manx
Filthy Fluno: touch it
Filthy Fluno: i know ou want to click it
Filthy Fluno: go ahead
Sky Hye: Wake, why did you choose a shape like an attenuated cornucopia?
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: You know , I had acutally considered putting up more faces on the walls, was afraid it was going to lessen the watchers' impact
Manx Wharton: oh brother you know it.
Emilie Cryotank: Hah that's brilliant filthy
Filthy Fluno: lol
Jeanni Nishi: I have been keeping an eye on Iraqi casualties since the beginning
Manx Wharton: BRILLIANT
Filthy Fluno: infromation giver
Jeanni Nishi: grossly under-reported
Sky Hye: It would not lessen the watchers, because of the red fog.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: That's what I saw, something rising up and coming down from above. I was in Church of all places
Filthy Fluno: i love the spots where the red fog broke up a bit
Emilie Cryotank: I think the red fog added to them
Sherpa Voyager: Sky, that's a very interesting suggestion. It could work well.
Sky Hye: Okay, good.
Sherpa Voyager: Thanks.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: that was pre-fog actually, I should have revisited that.
Manx Wharton: you know, the red fog had an interesting technical consequence
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Plus I have another photographer interested, he'll be happy.
Sky Hye: Even better.
Manx Wharton: it made it hard to reach out to people in the room.
Sherpa Voyager: We wanted to stimulate thought -- through differnt emotional tiggers (fear, horror, disgust, disorientation, etc.)
Manx Wharton: which was kinda punk rock.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: The fog breakup was purposeful, to lets glimpes through, of the watchers, of the building.
Sherpa Voyager: Manx, that was deliberate.
Sky Hye: Explain the shape of your watchers.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: And the red made it damn hard to build!!!
Manx Wharton: I suspected.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: ok, the shape
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: I was in Church, before Midnight Mass, got there abotu an hour early.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Dark building, quiet, candles
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Was thinking of the installation, what could I do with the words.
Manx Wharton: that was my *first* thought, idler! 'wow, that fog draping is a mess to make!'
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: And I saw... things.... risnig from the ground, looming over me, with faces on them, watching me.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: so I had to build it.
Manx Wharton: now the faces followed you around the room, it seemed.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Easy to make, hard to work around, I usually booted it out of the way to build.
Harlequin Randt: They actually reminded me of steamship vent pipes
Sky Hye: These shapes existed in your mind's eye, as a subconscious form, then?
Filthy Fluno: hey y'all.. i gotta head out
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Yes, I've heard that, boat parts....
Filthy Fluno: but will be on later
Filthy Fluno: congrats on the installation
Sky Hye: Bye, Filthy.
Filthy Fluno: i think its heading in a fantastic direction
Sherpa Voyager: Sky, I'd like to hear how he answers that.
Emilie Cryotank: Bye Filthy
Filthy Fluno: and if you said its done
Filthy Fluno: then its done
Manx Wharton: l8r flithy!
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: oh yes, they were clear, not exactly what I built, but SL does'nt permit that easly, my vision was far for flexible.
Filthy Fluno: works for me for sure
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: bye Filth!
Sherpa Voyager: Thank you, Filthy.
Filthy Fluno: bye guys
Sky Hye: Were they more fume like in your vision?
Filthy Fluno: bye sky
Filthy Fluno: hugz!
Sky Hye: Bye
Sky Hye: :)
Manx Wharton: cheers
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: not fumes, but fluid.
Sky Hye: Fascinating.
Sky Hye: I trust visions.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: It is hard to remember it actually, it was so brief, a flash.
Sherpa Voyager: Has anyone here ever collaborated with a writer to produce something like this?
Sherpa Voyager: I'd be interested in others' experiences.
Sky Hye: I wish I had.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: The tails were amorphous, hence the watcher tails, which are hard to see, are indiscint also
Sky Hye: It's hard to find someone who will stay with a project.
Emilie Cryotank: no but i think i may want to explore that possibility
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: we started, we think, in early Dec
Sherpa Voyager: I think it opens up a whole lot of options
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Finished it, oh, about 3 hours ago
Sherpa Voyager: to explore in both SL and RL.
Emilie Cryotank: :D
Sky Hye: Yes.
Manx Wharton: hah.
Sherpa Voyager: Enriching for both artist and writer, I think.
Manx Wharton: So this was a group install?
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: I thouht I had the whole weekend but I didn't! Oopsie
Sherpa Voyager: But they need to give each other room
Sherpa Voyager: Egos don't always allow that
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Yes, SHerpa Voyager and I did it.
Sherpa Voyager: I really REALLY like collaborative projects.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: She set the tone and did the poem, I did the build.
Jeanni Nishi: was it a first collaborative piece for you two?
Sherpa Voyager: It's not really a poem.
Sherpa Voyager: I don't know what it is.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: oh yes, our first, certainly
Sky Hye: It's fun, Sherpa. I enjoy doing projects with others, but unfortunately, most of those were for advertising.
Sherpa Voyager: We should talk, Sky. I love love love your work.
Manx Wharton: group work can be a lot of fun. the poem definitely complemented the piece, especially in snippets through the assembly
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: not as enriching.... huh?
Sky Hye: Hmm!
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: The poem IS the piece
Sky Hye: No, I hate advertising.
Manx Wharton: right
Sherpa Voyager: No, not doing advertising -- ugh.
Manx Wharton: concrete poetry.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: My bits were just the scenery
Sky Hye: I know, Sherpa, I was responding to Wake, if he was responding to me.
Sherpa Voyager: Interesting comment. Words made physical. I like that.
Sky Hye: I would be very interested in discussing a collaboration.
Jeanni Nishi: ineresting how you both feel the other's contributions were more important...?
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: sure, I'm a bit lost in the threads now though...
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: :- )
Sherpa Voyager: Cool, I'll talk to you about that later.
Manx Wharton: well, I think you can certainly view it as a comprehensive work.
Sky Hye: :)
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Interesting
Jeanni Nishi: Or... did you, ZSherpa. realize that your work drove the piece?
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: It had to start with the words
Sherpa Voyager: Jeanni, I do think that we work that way ... we admire each other's work, that helps a lot.
Sherpa Voyager: I do think we both knew the words needed to come first.
Sherpa Voyager: Because I'm not as abstract a thinker as are visual artists.
Sherpa Voyager: I needed to anchor it somehow.
Jeanni Nishi: ha!
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: ha Jeanni????
Sky Hye: Funny, I always consider writing as more abstract.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: please explain
Sky Hye: And visual as more literal.
Sherpa Voyager: And Wake then just took off with the concept.
Jeanni Nishi: it is often hard to figure out which is more absttract :)
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: jeanni, please, not sky :- )
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: I see
Manx Wharton: that's actually a funny line--'visual is more literal'
Sky Hye is laughing.
Sherpa Voyager: There's a poem in that for sure. (grin)
Jeanni Nishi: Words can be as abstract as art...
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: One funny thing, in RL, I really dislike poetry, and here I found myself working with a poet
Jeanni Nishi: and powtry can impact in similar ways as visual art
Sherpa Voyager: I still see words as a more literal tool. I can't visualize something that doesn't exist yet. You folks can, and do.
Manx Wharton: hah
Sherpa Voyager: I envy that.
Sky Hye: :)
Manx Wharton: there are a lot of lame poets RL
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: oh, so true,....
Sherpa Voyager: Wke hates poetry.
Jeanni Nishi: the repeated line about..Gos in America.???-- not being in the Bible...
Manx Wharton: but in some ways SL makes multimed collaboration easier.
Sherpa Voyager: yes?
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: hey folks, time is officially up but we don't mind extending this another 5....
Sky Hye: Do you hate song lyrics, Wake?
Jeanni Nishi: echoed what the administration here would have you believe...
Sherpa Voyager: Yes, Jeannie, exactly. It was a cry first of exasperation, then of despair.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: funny you ask, usualy no, but most of my music is listened for sonic reasons, not lyrical ones.
Jeanni Nishi: yes, I heard it..
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: with some exceptinos of course,
Sherpa Voyager: I listen to songs for the words, he for the music.
Jeanni Nishi: and then felt more despairing as I walked through the wailing walls
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: My name "Please wake me up" is from a Tom Waits song
Sky Hye: Ah
Sherpa Voyager: Jeanni, thanks,
Manx Wharton: tommy tutone?!?
Sherpa Voyager: That's so what we wanted.
Emilie Cryotank: I didn't have my music on, I'll have to go back
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: You know, I can't remember the song title!
Sky Hye: Me too.
Manx Wharton: haha:D
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: oh, no music is there
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: none
Sky Hye: I was listening to the State of the Union.
Jeanni Nishi: no music in the build--- I noticed that and wondered
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: We were talking about music lyrics vs my dislike of poetry.
Harlequin Randt: Was there any stream?
Sherpa Voyager: Yeah, we didn't wnt anything to shift your focus.
Jeanni Nishi: no stream, no possibility of music
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Basically we ran out of time. I was thinking of Beach Boys type of tunes
Sherpa Voyager: Just the words, just the red, just the faces, just the names.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: happy, bright, Surfing USA!
Harlequin Randt: LOL
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: ha! See we disagree!
Sherpa Voyager: I didn't want music. Sounds liek I won.
Manx Wharton: this is a pretty good talk! I'd like to do it again soon but have to fly.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: grrrrrrr....
Jeanni Nishi: perhaps some German industrial screaming
Sky Hye: The talks are always good!
Manx Wharton: hope to see yall soon.
Sherpa Voyager: (laughing)
Sky Hye: Every Monday!
Sherpa Voyager: Bye, Manx.
Manx Wharton: mondays it is!
Sherpa Voyager: Thanks for coming.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Yes, next week folks is....
Manx Wharton: Fuego!
Emilie Cryotank: See you late max!
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: ggg Soloman, hope I spelling that right.
Emilie Cryotank: Manx even ;)
Manx Wharton: cya!
Emilie Cryotank: hehehe
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Her talk is, well, I'm not sure.
Jeanni Nishi: no fuego!
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Entropy is the Solution, she has a museum attached to an environment sim
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: It will be interesting.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Field trip also, then 4 weeks of "What is Art" so that actually goes into February
Jeanni Nishi: Was there anyone who came who disagreed with your words, Sherpa?
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: March!
Emilie Cryotank: Good question
Sherpa Voyager: Not that I've heard, Jeanni, but that' the thing ... I don't know who comes, or how to reach out to people who might have issues with it.
Jeanni Nishi: well, I know there are some in SL who are right on board with the Bushies
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Funny thing is....
Sherpa Voyager: I'd love to hear someone disagree. I'd love to challenge them in some way.
Emilie Cryotank: Maybe put up a comment box?
Harlequin Randt: There were some things i didn't agree with
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: we have visitor counters at the landing spot
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: and in the entryways
Sherpa Voyager: A comment box is brilliant.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Only about third make it to the entryway
Jeanni Nishi: A comment box would be interesting
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Must have been something "better" there before!
Jeanni Nishi: hmmm
Sherpa Voyager: Harlequin, thanks for saying that. Did it get in the way, your not agreeing?
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Yes, I'll get acomment box
Emilie Cryotank: It's easy to get lost
Jeanni Nishi: maybe a sex club
Emilie Cryotank: heh!
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Acutally, based on people i'v met and theri attire, I think you are right
Harlequin Randt: uhmm it was things like "and afterwards no one will care"
Harlequin Randt: I know what you mena, but i think many do care
Harlequin Randt: mean
Jeanni Nishi: I have not noticed that everyone cares now---
Emilie Cryotank: People feel powerless these days
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: I feel powerless
Sky Hye: I feel powerless.
Emilie Cryotank: it's not that people don't care, they just feel they can't do anything about it
Sherpa Voyager: Yeah ... I think I was trying to push the thoughts, the ideas, to an extreme. Maybe I *am* trying to push people's buttons. You make a valid point.
Jeanni Nishi: I have had extremely hostile reactions when I have talked about Iraqis -- individuals-- who have been killed
Sherpa Voyager: But I also see that as my role.
Harlequin Randt: i agree
Sherpa Voyager: thanks. And thanks everyone for coming to seee it.
Emilie Cryotank: ah but the American revolution only took 3-5% of the entire population to put on
Sherpa Voyager: We really appreciate your comments.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: One point that might not have been obvious was that the Iraqi names were all civilians
Sky Hye: I'm going back to spend more time with it.
Emilie Cryotank remembers weird stats
Harlequin Randt: it is a very powerful message
Jeanni Nishi: Most people are willing to talk about American (and British, etc.) casualties...
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: but not Iraqi
Sky Hye: I got that they were civilians.
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: good
Jeanni Nishi: yes, Wake, not iraqi--- and there are so many
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Folk, we gotta run
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: Thank you all for coming and we'll see you next week.
Sherpa Voyager: Thank you for coming. VERY early morning tomorrow.
Sky Hye: Okay. It was a good talk tonight.
Emilie Cryotank: See ya Wake, thanks!
Sherpa Voyager: See you next week!
Sherpa Voyager: Sky, email me!
Jeanni Nishi: thank you for showing us your build--
PleaseWakeMeUp Idler: You're welcome, thank for coming. Good night all.
Sky Hye: Okay. I will. And you can email me first, if you have something in particular in mind.
Sky Hye: Bye Wake.
Jeanni Nishi: obviously, I'm right on board with the concept
Jeanni Nishi: bye, all :)